Tesla Model 3 to get CCS Combo 2 plug in Europe

Can this be true? Is Tesla, which prides itself on doing things its own way, going to adopt the same DC fast charging plug used by ordinary EVs?

Yep. The company has confirmed (via Electrek) that Model 3 vehicles sold in the European market will come with a CCS Combo 2 charge port. An adapter for Models S and X is in the works.

Fast charging stations are cropping up all over Europe. Ionity, a joint venture of several automakers, aims to install some 400 highway charging stations all over Europe by 2020. Of course, Tesla drivers can use such third-party networks in addition to Tesla’s own Supercharger network, but at the moment this requires an expensive CHAdeMO adapter, which has some drawbacks and isn’t yet compatible with Model 3.

Now Tesla will eliminate the issue by giving Model 3 a standard CCS port and retrofitting European Supercharger stations with dual cables, so that they can charge Teslas equipped with either CCS or the Type 2 Mennekes connector now used by European Tesla vehicles.

“In advance of Model 3 rollout in Europe, we will be retrofitting our existing Superchargers with dual charge cables to enable Model 3 which will come with a CCS Combo 2 charge port, to use the Tesla Supercharger network,” a Tesla spokesperson told Electrek. “Model S and Model X customers will continue to have full access to the network and a CCS Combo 2 adapter will soon be available to purchase, if desired.”

 

Source: Electrek

  • Dennis Worley

    We need a global standard!

    • EVcine

      CHAdeMO 2:0 is the only serious contender for a global standard and it is NOT run by a corporate mafia cartel like CCS. CHINA has endorsed CHAdeMO 2:0. This move by TESLA in conformity with the EU and Germany government agendas now seals the fact we are in an EV charging standards COLD WAR of 3 BLOCKS. The exact opposite of a global standard. New European cars will only DC charge inside Western Europe and some outer bordering areas. The most Western part of Russia where the rich people live will have the EU CCS for their EU CCS cars but most of Russia that is Asia and much poorer will get EVs from China and that means CHAdeMO 2:0/GB.

      • Simone

        is Chademo that is more “mafialike” since is only the japanese that can allow you to use it 😀 😀 the CCS are open standard (ISO 15118) , also from a technology point of view CCS is much better because allows HTTP comunication so CCS can comunicate with internet ( grid, solar panel , new firmware, Charging point operator and so on)

    • https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/YXNpZADpBWEdwMEVUMGtDdkhlb1o4aWZAjRXNQWWVVeFZAhX1I0dGlGd0VrOUlxZAGwwaC1Bb2tsNjNHRUhESHBUaGxHa1ppdFA2blctRl9VZATZA0SUpvVEdhZA1FzRFVHYVJzQjNTMDZARZAGcZD/ Dag Øystein Johansen

      Actually, we don’t.

      It’s easy to see why a global standard would be nice to have. But it’s easy to forget the damage that could do unless it happens to be the standard you want.

      Global EV sales are up and may reach 2% market share soon. Great, but less than 0.1% of the fleet is electric. Many major car makers still haven’t got a single EV on the market (looking at you, Toyota!) and basically everything is still at the early early stage of the game.

      Deciding on a global standard at this point could be a big mistake. We really don’t have a clue what’s going to be needed. For example, supercapacitors have been getting awfully much better lately, and can now be bought in cylindrical cell format looking much like any other. They can recharge in a fraction of a second — provided you’ve got the right charger…

      Solid state is another example. Even wireless might be, but that’s much more of a long shot since only AC can be wirelessly transferred and only DC can charge a battery, meaning that wireless charging must always use the car’s onboard charger (having a fast charger in each car will probably be too expensive and/or add too much mass and occupy space). Solid state is another. And probably a hundred other current options, and a hundred other near future options.

      Having to get everyone to agree in order to change anything is one sure consequence of a global standard.

      Electricity is extremely malleable though. In the age of switched–mode power it is relatively easy to make adapters and allow any car to use any charger, if there’s a real need for it.

  • sickofgovwaste

    I’ve been using CHAdeMO since day 1. My prediction is that it will become the Betamax of EVSEs (Beta was actually a superior format and I’m not sure that chademo is??). This news indicates CCS Combo is picking up steam as the defacto global standard.

    • EVcine

      I am sorry to have to inform you that like so many people on this issue you are drinking the CCS corporate mafia cartel Koolaid.
      This represents the EXACT opposite of a global standard we are now in a 3 BLOCK EV COLD WAR.
      CHAdeMO 2:0 is superior and it is not control by a cartel with an agenda to bleed on charging fees once they have their regional monopolies.
      North American CCS is not the same as EU CCS.
      CHINA, Japan, most of Russia, many other Asian countries that get their cars from China will be CHAdeMO 2:0.
      Insular Fortress Europe will be EU CCS.
      As for SONY BETAMAX the BETA format went on to be developed as a professional format that eventually became DigiBeta the single most successful broadcast videotape format in the history of the television industry.

      • sickofgovwaste

        re: betamax. I know all that. You’re talking about a niche market in TV production. I was referring to mass consumer appeal. Quite frankly, I have no dog in the race–let the best format win.

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        Maybe I’m alone in this, but reading your post doesn’t make me think it’s the people you reply to who have been drinking something they ought not to.

    • https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/YXNpZADpBWEdwMEVUMGtDdkhlb1o4aWZAjRXNQWWVVeFZAhX1I0dGlGd0VrOUlxZAGwwaC1Bb2tsNjNHRUhESHBUaGxHa1ppdFA2blctRl9VZATZA0SUpvVEdhZA1FzRFVHYVJzQjNTMDZARZAGcZD/ Dag Øystein Johansen

      The BetaMax story is more myth than fact, really. Yes, it did have better picture quality. But it was clunky and more than twice as expensive as VHS. The real reason it lost is that VHS was better, as judged by the consumers footing the bill.

      • sickofgovwaste

        How was it “clunky?” It’s form factor was smaller and lighter. Beta-Max would have been cheaper with more widespread adoption. VHS did a great job of saturating the market at a lower price; that doesn’t mean it was better. Consumers acted on price, not quality, which was certainly their prerogative.

  • EVcine

    My prediction is that over time the regular TESLA chord and plug on the European Superchargers will be dropped they will in time become exclusively EU CCS. At that point TESLA will sell their European charging network. A classic case of an asset make-over before a corporate sell-off. Once the current older fleet of TESLAs in Europe becomes like 10% compared to all the MODEL 3s and MODEL Ys sold into Europe with only a CCS socket, given the adaptors available for the older cars, the new Superchargers will only have CCS and the older converted ones will either be replaced or simply allowed to exist until they die.

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      I think that would make sense. Tesla never really wanted to be in the charging business, but they needed to because the experience of owning a Tesla would have been terrible without decent infrastructure.

      Europe still has a way to go, but it certainly looks like the infrastructure is coming fairly fast.

      I wonder if we’ll manage to avoid total chaos at the chargers on the peak holidays a few years from now. In five years the fleet is hopefully at least twenty times as large as today, and nearly all the cars capable of long trips — as long as they can charge. Easter in line to charge doesn’t sound like fun.

  • Vance Vance

    C’mon wireless…soon, connectors only as backups. Attempt to park a non-wireless vehicle on a public wireless charging pad and it will send notification (w/photos) to a police department.

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      Wireless is awesome and I think cars will get it as standard equipment — for destination (slow) charging.

      But it’s unlikely to become a good way to fast-charge en route. While it is easy to transfer high power, you can only transfer AC (it’s after all simply induction, like in any old-fashioned transformer).

      You can only charge a battery using DC though. Since that can’t be supplied wirelessly, you need the power electronics (at minimum a rectifier) in every single car instead of just in the charger. That adds expense and weight and robs you of space.

      • Vance Vance

        In several years, new, fully autonomous battery electric vehicles may come equipped with a wireless charging panel and a DC-only port. I expect that a driverless vehicle can travel to and align itself on dedicated wireless parking with no human intervention required.

        Vehicles communicating with other vehicles (and wireless charging pads) can determine when and for how long each vehicle remains on charge. Autonomous vehicles and wireless charging will make electric vehicles attractive to apartment dwellers…by then, transportation as a service can eliminate need to own, insure and maintain personal transportation.

        Pulsed DC or perhaps a modified AC waveform producing higher amplitude of the polarity that does not require rectification are possible methods of wireless energy transfer. For direct DC, a vehicle could park at a charging location, then safety barriers could automatically assemble, forbidding entry of lifeforms while the vehicle uncovers high-power DC terminals to be met by articulated electrodes of the charging bay.

        Various approaches are possible, but until charging becomes ‘no-touch,’ drivers must manually connect and disconnect stiff, heavy cables – not a welcome scenario for people who are physically challenged. Because of my own battery electric vehicle’s range and my lifestyle (retired…no long distance trips), I’d rather mount my vehicle’s built-in charger on the wall in my garage. Mine has a CCS port which I’ve never connected to DC quick charging, but I haven’t had, nor do I anticipate a need for speed.