Tritium brings its snazzy Veefil DC fast chargers to the US

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Australian-based Tritium has signed an exclusive US contract with ChargePoint to install Tritium’s Veefil DC fast charging stations. The shapely Veefil has a power output of 50 kW, and is available with both SAE Combo and CHAdeMO connectors.

The Veefil is designed not only to look cool, but to be light and compact. Its polycarbonate and aluminum construction gives it what the company says is the smallest footprint and lowest weight (364 lbs) of any 50 kW DC charger, allowing it to fit neatly at the end of a standard parking bay. A liquid cooling system is designed to make it robust over a wide range of temperature and humidity conditions.

“ChargePoint approached us because it was attracted by both the design and unique technology of the Veefil, plus the fact that it is extremely simple for the EV owner to use,” explains Tritium’s CEO, David Finn. “We were looking for a strong partner in the US which had excellent distribution and an established network throughout the country.”

“These stations can be used by any EV equipped with fast charging and will be installed in convenient locations where drivers need them most,” said Pasquale Romano, ChargePoint CEO.

 

Source: Tritium, ChargePoint

  • QKodiak

    Tesla’s Superchargers are 135kW. These chargers simply cannot be called “Fast.” Then again, the more chargers the better.

    • ned_plimpton

      I think 135 kW Superchargers could be huge for Tesla’s long term success.

      If your options are a 200+ mile Bolt, 200+ mile Leaf, and 200+ mile Tesla Model 3 for about the same price, a free cross-country network or REALLY fast Superchargers is a game changer.

    • jon

      Where do you see that printed or how do you know? 135kW at 3.5miles per kW is 472 miles per hour of charging (approx). This article says the best they ever got was 277 miles per hour of charging, which is about 80amps.

      http://my.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/beware-supercharger-speeds-vary-greatly

      From the comments in that article, it looks like Tesla does a ‘panel share’ with multiple chargers, so 135kW is about 280amps at 480volts. So that might be the ‘total’ power output, but its probably split up and shared among multiple charging stations?

      • QKodiak

        The 135kW rating is peak. Because of the nature of batteries, the lower the SOC, the higher the rate of charging can be. There is a panel share as one circuit covers two plugs reducing charge rate when both vehicles are plugged in next to each other. The same rate of charging problem affects these “fast” chargers. At only 50kW peak, they would not be convenient for traveling.

        • jon

          I asked for the source of you info?

          • QKodiak

            It’s called research. Go look it up yourself. This is common knowledge for those who have been following Tesla for a while.

          • jon

            Fair enough, but if you’ve been following Tesla for a while then how come you don’t seem to realize a few key facts:

            1) Tesla superchargers only charge TESLAs (gasp!?)…so this product services the other ‘non-Tesla’ EVs out there. 50kW get those cars to 80% in 20 minutes, so that’s pretty “convenient”.

            2) Tesla doesn’t sell their superchargers to….anyone. So if a particular location wants a DC fast charger, they have to install a non-Tesla products. See above.
            2a) Before you say it….only Tesla drivers who installed the dual charger option can even think about taking advantage of a high power 20kW destination charger.
            3)

          • QKodiak

            Who is going to try to road trip in a Leaf? The only EVs road tripping are Tesla Model S’s and EV owners/enthusiasts with lots of time to waste. In reality, it takes 30-35 min. to charge up a Nissan Leaf from 10-80% SOC with the typical DCFC, not 20 min. Most Nissan Leaf owners never drive farther than their cars rated range in a day. In fact on average, Chevy Volt owners drove more EV miles in a year than did Leaf owners.

            The convenience in Tesla is home charging with a range long enough that you rarely if ever need to use public charging. Most Nissan Leaf owners if the statistics are to be believed don’t need public charging either since they don’t drive much. PHEV owners on the other hand do. There is no need for Superchargers everywhere (yet) because of home charging. They only need to be on the major routes. As far as the dual chargers, very few did not opt for that. Why would one spend $70,000+ on a car and not spend a couple thousand more to make it as capable as possible?

            I did say in my first comment that the more chargers the better. However, for traveling, they would be very inconvenient. Tesla’s vehicles will be able to use the vastly superior Supercharger network to travel as well all other chargers. I just don’t get people calling the Superchargers slow while at the same time calling other DC chargers fast.

            It is true that comparing a Tesla Supercharger with anything else is useless since they don’t measure up. I can’t wait for a slough of 200-mile EVs to hit the road! When that happens, the only one with a travel-ready charging network would be Tesla. All other long-range EVs would be range anxiety-free citycars.

            Nobody wants to drive 200 miles (2 hrs 40 min at 75 mph) then have to spend a full hour and a half to recharge before setting out again. Some though are willing to put up with it. Tesla’s upcoming Model III would be able to drive 200 miles, charge up to 80% (160 miles) in 30 min. and continue for for another 2 hrs before needing a charge again. In time it takes a Leaf to get 67 miles of range (80% SOC) from a DCFC, a Tesla could get up to 170 miles of range from a Supercharger.

            More DC “fast” chargers are good. Good for what? The future of electric mobility.

          • jon

            I just realized something….you don’t drive an EV, do you?

            You don’t have to be on a cross county road trip to need or want a DC Fast charger. 200 mile cars are still 2+ years away, no one’s talking about taking a 500 mile road trip in a Leaf, so why are you making up problems?

            When the Tesla 3 comes out I’ll be first in line, but today, being able to drive 60+ miles in a regular EV one-way, have a DC Fast option at you destination, and be able to charge up and have plenty of juice to get home in less than an hour would help (does help) with a lot of range anxiety for ‘regular’ people. I get it, Tesla drivers don’t have to deal with that…well, the rest of us do.

            My Fiat500e doesn’t have a DC fast option, I didn’t think I’d need it for the kind of driving I do plus I kept my truck for long distance trips. But after driving it for a year I wish it did…there’s plenty of locations just outside my normal range where I have to take the truck, but if I had the ability (and access) to charge somewhere for 20 minutes to add a quick 50% back to my battery, it would greatly increase my locally drivable range.

            My point is (that you keep missing), the current 50kW DC Fast market for non-tesla EVs exists for a good reason. When ‘regular’ EVs come out with 200+ mile batteries, they’ll get upgraded to larger output units. We didn’t jump right from Betamax to Blue-Ray…there were a few steps in-between. Tesla right now is like the ‘laser disk’…down the road, the ‘OnDemand movie streaming’ is like self driving cars that all go 200mph on the highway or something really George Jetson-esque.

          • QKodiak

            You are right. I do not currently drive an EV, and I won’t until I can afford one that exceeds 200 miles. However, I have test driven or ridden in most of the hybrid, PHEV, and EV models on the market. I have also been highly interested in EVs since the Tesla Roadster debuted. In the meantime, I drive an old van and hope to get a used Volt sometime in the near future.

            I get your point. I got it the first time you said it. I just dislike the fact that small, short-ranged, funky-looking, expensive, generally slow little electric cars have given EVs a bad name in the general public’s eyes, and most PHEVs are worse vehicles than the one they are based on while being a lot more expensive. An 84-mile Nissan Leaf starts just shy of $30K whereas the similar Nissan Versa Note starts at just $15K. The same massive price differential exists for the Chevy Sonic and upcoming Bolt EV. At least the Model III is supposed to compete with similarly priced vehicles (BMW 3-series, Mercedes C-class, Audi A4, Cadillac ATS, Lexus IS, Jaguar XE, etc.)

            Technically 70-100 mile range EVs work for most people, and I have argued that multi-car families should own one. However as an only car, they just won’t do for most people, even if they actually do work. It’s interesting that you are willing to put up with having only an hour of driving range and long charge times. I guess if someone gave me a short-ranged EV, I probably would too as well.

            Yay for more chargers for current EV owners. Happy?

          • Gaskilla

            The only thing “similar” between a Nissan Leaf and a Nissan Versa is they have the same number of doors and tires. They are completely different vehicles with completely different technology. Once you take the leap to a pure EV you’ll understand what it’s all about, until then perhaps you can give your Monday morning quarterbacking a rest.

          • QKodiak

            I am for EVs, GOOD EVs. I think that for the most part, 70-100 mile EVs have done the industry a disservice by perpetuating the myth that all EVs are small, funky-looking, slow, impractical vehicles. Without Tesla, there would be little incentive for any other automaker to actually make a GOOD EV or PHEV for that matter.

            I understand that most EV owners do just fine with their vehicles. However it is 2015, the majority of the population still won’t give an EV a second look. I would love to drive an EV, but I drive a whole lot. Nothing short of a Tesla would do, and unfortunately, I cannot afford a Tesla.

            About the Nissan Leaf… Of course they are different vehicle with different powertrain technology. However, they are quite comparable as they are in the same class of vehicle. The test mule for the Nissan Leaf was an electric Versa. The Leaf is built on the previous-gen Nissan’s Versa/Tiida platform although all the sheet metal is unique. It’s a slightly larger vehicle and is more aerodynamic.

            As previously noted, there is a large price disparity between the Leaf and the inexpensive Versa that fuel savings will never make up for. Sticker shock is real. The short range and funky looks of the Leaf don’t help either.
            Adding options to the Versa that come standard in the Leaf closes the gap somewhat. Tax credits, other incentives, and dirt-cheap leases if available and if you qualify can bring the cost of a Leaf way down making it very inexpensive.

  • Chris Jones

    Most people won’t be buying an expensive Tesla with a huge battery. They will buy a modest EV with a 35-40 kWh battery, which only needs a 50 kW charger most of the time. I do question grid stability where multiple 135 kW chargers are located, but then again, I’m sure they’ve done their sums.

    • ned_plimpton

      I was talking about in a few years when the Bolt, Leaf, and Model 3 are all expected to be around the same price and same range. All other things being equal, the Supercharger network will be a huge selling point for Tesla.

      As far as grid stability, Tesla must have battery storage at all the supercharger sites to shave the peaks off of the charging loads. I remember hearing them discuss it before, but I don’t recall where and when. There just no other way to do it with 4-8 charging bays at 135kW each. That’s a ton of power.

      • QKodiak

        Another huge difference is that the Model III is supposed to compete with the BMW 3-series in looks, performance, and technology; and actually be price competitive whereas the Bolt will be based off the next-gen Chevy Sonic platform and the Leaf 2.0 will be based on the Versa/Tiida platform making them both comparable to sub $20K vehicles while cost double.